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The punishment of the wicked… what people call hell.
Definitions of hell:
--- The place or state of punishment of the wicked after death
--- Hell is a place of suffering and punishment in the afterlife.
--- Hell is a place of eternal damnation for those who rejected the Gospel of Christ.
Several things don’t click in my mind when I hear about hell that’s going on right now and eternal suffering. I had my own list but found another in Review and Herald, 1963, more complete and it had some of the points I wanted to talk about:
- 1. Eternal life it’s a gift from God, (Rom 6: 23).
If they have eternal suffering that means they have eternal life, and that doesn’t make sense.
The wicked don’t have this gift: “they won’t see life” (john 3: 36) “no murderer has eternal life in him.” (1 john 3:15).- An eternal torment would immortalize sin, suffering and pain, and that would be in contradiction with the divine revelation that says that those things will be no more. (Revelation 21: 4)Eternal sin would suggest that God is incapable or unable to destroy it.
- Eternal suffering would be in contradiction with the image of a loving God, because it would be suggesting that His anger is never (or will never be) quenched.
- Eternal suffering and eternal sin doesn’t make sense to me because the expiatory work of Christ is “to do away with sin” (Hebrews 9:26) (1 John 3:8)
We know that we are not immortal, because only God has immortality (1 Timothy 6:15-16) Wicked people cannot have eternal life (1 john 3:15) because eternal life is a gift from God (Rom 6: 23) to everyone who hears His voice and follows Him (John 10:27-28), and it’s a gift (a reward) given to the saved when he comes to take us with Him to heaven (temporary residence) (Revelations 22:12).
Wicked people will not be suffering eternally because they’re not immortal and God will destroy them, that’s why we read in the bible that:
The wicked shall perish (Psalm 37:20), will be destroyed (Psalm 145:20), will die (Ezekiel 18:4, Romans 6:23, Romans 1:32, Romans 6:21, James 1:15), will be devoured by the fire (Psalm 21:9), shall not be (Psalm 37:10), shall be cut off and rooted out (Proverbs 2:22, Psalm 37:9, Psalm 37:34), shall be ashes (Malachi 4:3), into smoke shall they consume away (Psalm 37:20), as wax melteth before the fire (Psalm 68:2), shall be punished with everlasting destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), will be burn up and it shall leave them neither root nor branch (Malachi 4:1, Matthew 13:30)
The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2-3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18-19.)
Eternal life it’s a gift from God, (Rom 6: 23).
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." ~ John 3:16
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." ~ John 6:40
There are two options. To perish or to receive eternal life. Eternal life vs Eternal death, simple as that. Both are eternal consequences but one is life and the other is death.
If you reject God you reject life, for the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). So if the penalty is death, why would they burn for all eternity?
They need to be immortal to be burning for all eternity. But they cannot be immortal if they rejected life.
An eternal torment would immortalize the sin, suffering and pain.
“And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” ~ Revelation 21:4
Even the demons know they will be destroyed:
Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. ~ Mark 1:24
And Satan also knows that he will be destroyed (Hebrews 2:14) with the fire and will be no more
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. ~ Ezekiel 28:18-19
In other words he, won’t be eternally burning. And if the devil—the father of sin— won’t be eternally burning it’s illogical to think that wicked people will be tortured for all eternity.
Jesus sacrificed Himself because he wants to “to put away sin” (Hebrews 9:26). Not immortalize it in an eternal display of death and suffering.
What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.~ Nahum 1:9
He will put an end to sin. The devil, his demons and sin will be no more. This clearly takes out the possibility of an eternal suffering.
But why the bible speaks about an eternal fire?
The bible presents us an: everlasting fire (Mathew 25:41), unquenchable fire (Mathew 3:12).
The fire is eternal, everlasting, unquenchable, because it comes from an eternal God (Romans 1:20), but what burns in it is not eternal, so once the eternal fire completes its work, it is no longer needed.
This eternal fire brings everlasting destruction. (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by this eternal fire.
“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”~ Jude 1:7
Jerusalem was destroyed by this unquenchable fire:
Jeremiah' prophesy:
“But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.” ~ Jeremiah 17:27
This was fulfilled in: 2 Chronicles 36:19-21.
Isn’t hell burning now?
No.
Hell is not a place where wicked people go when they die.
The lake of fire will be on earth, that’s why it can’t be burning now, nor will it burn forever.
There is a day that cometh (Malachi 4:1), the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men (2 Peter 3:7), until that day heavens and earth are reserved unto fire. They will burn but not before that time.
When Jesus comes those whose names are written on the book of life will be saved.
The dead in Christ shall rise first, and together with those that are alive they will meet the Lord in the air. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
Those who are not saved, will remain in this earth, dead for a thousand years until the second resurrection. (Revelation 20:5). The resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).
“Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” ~revelation 20:7-9
On that day, the wicked—including Satan and his angels— will suffer the second death (Revelation 20:6).
“And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.” ~ Malachi 4:3
They will be destroyed; the earth will be cleansed from sin and will once again be our home. As it was meant to be in a beginning.
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”~ Revelation 21:1
Never alone
Hagar: The God Who Sees Me
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Hell (lake of fire) will exist...it just not going on right now, and it won't be eternal.
Controversial topic, I know.
I tried to make this as simple and to the point as possible. I encourage you to research the topic more deeply 
Don’t comment if you’re gonna be rude and disrespectful.
God bless 
Depending on the comments, I’ll be adding more details here.
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---- We don’t go anywhere when we die
---- Everlasting Punishment
---- The rich man and lazarus
--- Saul, Samuel, and the witch of Endor. (1 Samuel 28)
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We don’t go anywhere when we die
Everlasting Punishment
aionios is an adjective derived from the Greek noun aion, which is translated to ever (Matthew 6:13), forever (Luke 1:33), evermore (2 Corinthians 11:31), eternal (Mark 3:29), world (Matthew 13:39), and age.
Adjetives “modify nouns and pronouns, primarily by describing a particular quality of the word they are modifying”.
“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal (aionios) fire” ~ Jude 1:7
“Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting (aionios). Amen.” ~ 1 Timothy 6:16
Same word. Slightly different meaning.
The aionios fire of Sodom and Gomorrha is not burning anymore
The aionios power and honor of God will truly be forever.
The word aionios, is relative and its meaning is determined by the object it modifies. So when aionios is used for God, it means something infinite because God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:16). But when aionios is used for mortal human beings or perishable things, it means as long as the person lives or the thing exists.
“Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting (aionios) consolation and good hope through grace, ~2 Thessalonians 2:16
“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting (aionios) covenant,” ~ Hebrews 13:20
“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal (aionios) redemption for us.” ~ Hebrews 9:12
That aionios consolation, covenant, and redemption have eternal results; they are not an endless process. For example in Hebrews 9:12 “eternal (aionios) redemption” doesn’t mean that Jesus will be eternally shedding his blood for us. Just like everlasting punishment (aionios kolasis) doesn’t mean they will be eternally burning, they can’t because they are mortals, incapable of withstanding the glory of God and the power of His eternal fire.
This death –the punishment—will be eternal, from which there will not, and cannot, be any resurrection.
As the bible says: the wicked will be no more. And the word of God doesn’t contradict itself.
“As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.” ~ Proverbs 10:25
The richman and lazarus
Here is a deep explanation of The Richman and Lazarus
The story we find in Luke 16:19-31 is a parable:
“Therefore speak I to them in parables (Παραβολή/parabolē): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” ~ Mathew 13:13
What is a parable (Παραβολή/parabolē)? Symbolically fictitious narrative (of common life conveying a moral).
A parable is not literal history; it is a fictional story conveying a meaning
If this parable is taken literally it presents contradictions with the rest of the Word of God:
---Hades is not hell:
"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell (hades), neither his flesh did see corruption." ~Acts 2:31
---Carried by angels? (Luke 16:22) The word of God says we return to the dust.
“All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.” ~ Ecclesiastes 3:20
---Abraham’s bosom? Abraham is dead (Gen. 25:8-9, John 8:52), he is not in heaven or paradise.
"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven” ~John 3:13
---They both died and the bible says there is no wisdom, no knowledge in the grave (Ecclesiastes 9:10)
“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” ~Ecclesiastes 9:5
---They are talking to each other? The bible says death is like a sleep: (John 11: 11-14, Matthew 9:24, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16, I Cor. 15:20)
“And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers;…” ~deuteronomy 31:16
David is asleep with his fathers (2 Samuel 7:12, 1 Kings 2:10)
Solomon is asleep with his fathers (1 Kings 11:43)
---And he cried? (luke 16:24)
“Let me not be ashamed, O Lord; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave.” ~Psalm 31:17
--- “And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed…”~luke 16: 26
Heaven and hell are separated by a great body of water… right
--- “…so that they which would (thelō ethelō) pass from hence to you cannot…” ~luke 16: 26
Those in heaven are ‘thelō ethelō’ incline to, or desire to go to hell? ….ok….
Saul, Samuel, and the witch of Endor. (1 Samuel 28)
Complete deviation about Saul, Samuel and the witch of Endor
God says: “Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.” ~Leviticus 19:31
Consulting with mediums is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord (Deuteronomy 18:10-13). The dead know nothing (Samuel was dead) (Ecclesiastes 9:5). Satan can deceive us with the so called spirits of the dead; he can fake them, as he can transform himself (2 Corinthians 11:14). He can also do great signs and wonders to deceive us (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10). Do not be deceived. Saul wasn’t speaking with Samuel, but with a demon.
“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” ~ 2 corinthians 11:14-15
How do we know it wasn’t Samuel?
--- God had departed from him and wasn’t speaking to him anymore (1 Samuel 28:6)
“And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.” ~1 Samuel 28:15
---Saul never saw Samuel. He had to ask the witch what she was seeing.
“And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.” ~1 Samuel 28:12-14
Also Saul was looking to the ground! She told him how the familiar spirit looked, and by her description he recognized the familiar spirit as Samuel so he bowed down with his face facing towards the ground:
Didn’t the spirit prophesize a truth?
No.
Everything that the spirit told Saul (1 Samuel 28: 16-19) was already known (1 Samuel 15 & 1 Samuel 16).
But why stop there:
“So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.” ~1 chronicles 10:13-14
'And enquired not of the Lord'. The bible is clear with that.
That’s how the devil plays, he uses God’s words, he transforms into an angel of light, a minister of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:14-15), he performs the same ‘miracles’ (Exodus 7:11). That’s how he fooled Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:3).
Just because is the truth doesn’t mean is God talking:
“And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.” ~Acts 16:16
Remember!
God always sets an example for us to follow. He says:
“There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.” ~Deuteronomy 18:10-13
How can He tell us to be perfect if He’s not going to be perfect?
“The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” ~Psalm 145:17
How can people think God would use the sin of consulting with familiar spirits to deliver His (already delivered) holy message?
